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Creative Corner » Image Analysis and Feedback Thread » Post 4

AIPonyAnon

@Star Streaker
She somewhat harshly sticks out with the rest of the image (which is more painterly and muted)
I don’t think Cadance is oversaturated in the technical sense of the term, but I think I get what you mean. The brown of the background doesn’t highlight her, rather it makes her look out of place.
I hadn’t noticed that she does look slightly less painterly than the background when viewed from a distance, thanks for pointing that out. It’s been a struggle with all of the SDXL based models to get good, consistent painterly styles.
Another thing I noticed was that the doorway seems itself split in half with the line being covered up by Cadance herself.
Aaaah, consistent background details are a bane. Trying to get anything to maintain symmetry when split by a character is such a pain.
I’d agree and I think it’s largely due to the nostrils/first person POV. From what I’ve noticed with my admittedly limited artistic talent is that pony faces when facing “forward” tend to point up slightly. Cadance’s muzzle is definitely pointing down but the face could be fixed with an inpaint or adetailer model.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out, the bridge of the muzzle is definitely pointing down too much. I knew something was up, but couldn’t quite figure out what it was. I do detail the face and eyes, but that comes with its own problems. I think this one in particularly is probably a result of cropping too close when detailing and using meesh in the artist mix, as he tends to draw more sloped muzzles.
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AIPonyAnon

@Zerowinger
You might be able to find some trick with your prompts that removes or reduces the issue, but that seems unlikely. This seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the model (or it had a lot of images with this mistake in its training data).
Can you do image-to-image with your current setup? If so, then doing a very basic edit of the image with any old image editor (even mspaint works fine) to just remove the hair and block the background colors in and then doing one or two passes with low-denoise image-to-image should fix it.
If you can’t image-to-image, then Photoshop is probably your best bet. I haven’t used the recent versions of Photoshop, but the tools in it should be able to handle removing things like that very quickly and easily. It’s doable in GIMP, but it’ll be a lot more work because its selection and fixing tools are not as advanced.
You could also try https://huggingface.co/spaces/Sanster/iopaint-lama which uses a model specifically trained on removing things from images, though you’ll likely want to do an image-to-image pass after using it.
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Zerowinger

3-3/4" Army Man Fan
So this one is a bit of a problem that made me hem and haw a bit about uploading:
>>33453t (merged)
Night Glider has some of her hair sticking out of her helmet where it really shouldn’t be. I guess it could be argued there’s a slit for her mane in the back of her helmet that it’s sticking out from and so being blown along with her scarf, but that’s not a very realistic answer.
Google Imagen (or at least as used on NightCafe) unfortunately doesn’t allow for selective edits to select that errant hair for editing out. Would using a program like Gimp or Photoshop be a solution?
Hair sticking out of helmets also seems to be a frequent experience with some of these generations of mine, so would adjustment of negative prompts possibly help?
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Star Streaker

I’m not terribly familiar with the Noob models, mostly stick to the PonyXL variants myself. I’m also by no means an artist so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Overall the image is pretty good, like you said if a little stale and bland. My impressions below.
Is white and red a bad color combination with Cadance’s fur? Is the color grading okay? (difficult because I and many people do not have color accurate monitors)
  • I’m fine with the red and white Cadance is wearing but what I think gets to me is Cadance is a little oversaturated. She somewhat harshly sticks out with the rest of the image (which is more painterly and muted) and I think that saturation is causing some artifacts particularly around the gold plate she’s wearing.
  • Another thing I noticed was that the doorway seems itself split in half with the line being covered up by Cadance herself. So one half of the door appears to be one style while the other half (Cadance’s left) has a mirror image but slightly different. On that same side, there’s a sort of knob/handle type thing just jutting out of the wall. What’s it for? The poster on the left (viewer’s pov) may make sense.
What do people think of the face? I feel like it has a somewhat porcine influence to it and I’m not sure if I like it.
  • I’d agree and I think it’s largely due to the nostrils/first person POV. From what I’ve noticed with my admittedly limited artistic talent is that pony faces when facing “forward” tend to point up slightly. Cadance’s muzzle is definitely pointing down but the face could be fixed with an inpaint or adetailer model.
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AIPonyAnon

I’m creating this thread in the hope that we can get people to give each other useful feedback on the images that they create. This should help people to develop their own critical eye.
I was going to use ‘critique’ in the title, but that implies a level of interpretation. The intention here is to give reasonably objective feedback on errors or elements that detract from an image, and well-done things that improve the image.
If the creator has some stated goals or issues with the image, then feedback on how they might better reach these goals or solve these issues can also be given. Creators specifically asking for opinions on certain things is also fine.
In your analysis and feedback you should include, where possible, ideas and techniques for fixing the issues that you point out.
As an example, here’s one my recent gens:
Looking for basic errors we can see the following:
  • Cadance does not appear to have any sign of wings.
  • The bottom right of the inset section on the door behind Cadance is missing.
  • Her hooves (hoof shoes?) have slightly different shapes and embellishments.
  • Cadance’s tail is exceptionally long.
All of these issue can be fixed by starting with a different base gen, or by overpainting/inpainting/detailing.
A positive of the image is that the armor, clothing, and regalia all seem very coherent.
One issue I have is that I feel like the image is just sort of boring. Causes and solutions for this might include:
Problem Solutions
1girl standing Use more varied pose descriptions. Add more characters.
Basic, head-on camera angle Use a more interesting camera angle.
Basic lighting Use more interesting lighting descriptions (not well tagged, requires experimentation).
Background that is simultaneously dull yet distracting Use a different gen. Inpaint out distracting features. Describe the background differently.
No objects of interest. A weapon, shield, goblet, etc. might add some interest.
As I’m using a Noob based model, useful tags for things such as pose and camera-angle can be found in the e6 and danbooru tag wikis.
Some things I would like feedback from others on are:
  • Is the color grading okay? (difficult because I and many people do not have color accurate monitors)
  • What do people think of the face? I feel like it has a somewhat porcine influence to it and I’m not sure if I like it.
  • Is white and red a bad color combination with Cadance’s fur?
Please try to include feedback for others when you post a request for feedback. This should help to keep a good balance between giving and requesting feedback.
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AIPonyAnon

@tyto4tme4l
SD 1.5 based EasyFluff is probably still the best model for very painterly styles, probably because it has a very good understanding of many traditional artists. However, being 1.5 based it’s a lot worse with anatomy and coherence in general, though significantly better than most 1.5 based models.
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Lord Waite

@tyto4tme4l
Yeah, I’d read how to prompt Illustrious, and if it’s based on that, I’d expect it to use more danbooru tag style prompting. As awful as that picture I posted was, the prompt was:
perfect quality, best quality, absolutely eye-catching, ambient occlusion, raytracing, masterpiece, fluttershy, pegasus pony, my little pony, sitting in a meadow, masterpiece, safe, furry, yellow fur, fur tufts, god rays, dynamic pose, detailed background, full body, 
Negative: lowres, worst quality, bad quality, bad anatomy, sketch, jpeg artifacts, signature, watermark, artist name, old, oldest
Mostly me throwing in things from this article, admittedly:
https://civitai.com/articles/8380/tips-for-illustrious-xl-prompting-updates
In fact, I just ran the same prompt through ZoinksNoob, and it generated some fairly nice looking Fluttershy pictures.
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Mystic_Taurus13

@mp40
I heard that Illustrious XL is what ponyv7 is going to be on is that true?
Also shoutou5 to autismmix/confetti and pinkiepiemix
Pony 7 is in training right now using Aura Flow.
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Siber

@tyto4tme4l
Technically, there’s a new version available, but it’s based on v-pred NoobAI, which is still in training. If I understood correctly, the author plans to remake it once NoobAI finishes training.
I only did some cursory testing on it and, ngl, it felt undercooked, whereas Zoinks just clicked with me instantly.
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tyto4tme4l

Something of an artist
@Lord Waite
Please keep in mind that for ZoinksNoob and other Noob-related models the prompting is a bit different than in Pony-based models. I use (masterpiece, best quality:1.2), absurdres, highres in the positive prompt and (normal quality, worst quality:1.2) in the negative with CFG 1.5-2.0 and Euler A as a sampler.
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Lord Waite

No problem on the clarification.
I’ll have to try out ZoinksNoob. Of course, I also have to remember to do stuff with autismmix. I download a million models then forget to do anything with them…
I do remember EasyFluff. Haven’t used it in a long time.
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Lord Waite

I’ve got a tendency not to use AI art generators that I can’t run locally, but I do remember Bing being good when I tried it previously.
As far as Pony v7 goes, that’s being trained on a different model, AuraFlow.
https://civitai.com/articles/6309/towards-pony-diffusion-v7-going-with-the-flow
There’s an interview from a few weeks ago here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pw1LwRUGY4
Illustrious XL is more of a new XL based anime base model competing with pony. If you are generating anime/furry pictures, it might be interesting, and it seems to be big, but from what I remember, it didn’t do that well with ponies when I tried it, though I should give it another go. (SeaArt Furry XL can do ponies, IIRC.)
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mp40

I heard that Illustrious XL is what ponyv7 is going to be on is that true?
Also shoutou5 to autismmix/confetti and pinkiepiemix
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Zerowinger

3-3/4" Army Man Fan
My go to has been Google Imagen 3.0
https://deepmind.google/technologies/imagen-3/
It’s a text to image model similar to Bing and DALL-E. Rather than using Gemini, I’ve been making images via the NightCafe creator studio. This checkpoint is very good at making ponies and anthros, and has a pretty solid idea of what the majority of characters are supposed to look like.
There are some issues with secondary characters, however, but there is an odd quirk about it: if for, example, you ask for an image of Big Macintosh, it will give you a pony that looks nothing like Mac. However, if you ask for an image of Big Macintosh, and then describe what he looks like, it will give you an image that’s pretty on point.
The checkpoint is also kind of weak when it comes to non-pony characters or creatures, such as Diamond Dogs, Buffalo, Griffons, and Yaks, and basically requires a bit more prompt tweaking to get them to come out close to the MLP style. However, it does have a good handle on Zebras and Dragons, and is able to fairly properly output images of those in the MLP style.
One other issue it has with creating anthros and some ponies is that sometimes simply describing their race (ie unicorn, pegasus, etc) isn’t enough, and will have a tendency to produce unicorns without horns or pegasi without wings, so you sometimes have to add in an additional prompt with things such as “glowing horn” or “spread wings” or some other descriptor of unicorn or pegasi elements to get it to stick properly.
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Lord Waite

Given this site is specifically for AI art, I feel like we should have a few threads for discussing things like prompts, and the models we use and such, and I felt models and loras deserved one (and embeddings, but it doesn’t seem like those get used as much any more).
So, what models and loras do you find yourself using often?
The obvious, of course, is Pony Diffusion v6 XL, and while there are a million spinoffs, I’m still highly likely to use the original.
https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl
I’ve also been finding myself liking BlueFoxMix lately, and the style it gives pictures.
https://civitai.com/models/724196
Lora-wise, I like the Pony Quality lora for making the score tags a little less necessary.
https://civitai.com/models/333358/ponydiffusion-quality-slider
I also do rather like the Wholesome MLP Mix lora for style.
https://civitai.com/models/509312/wholesome-mlp-mix-pony-v6-xl
Of course, there are other, non-pony models I use. They may not be trained on ponies, but Flux and SD 3.5 Large can do text well. Flux is pretty good at actually following your prompt, and I think 3.5L edges it out style-size.
SeaArt Furry XL is a good general furry model, though it’s definitely one of these ones that relies on artist tags too much.
https://civitai.com/models/391781
Illustrious XL has promise and has already become a new base, though not great for ponies.
https://civitai.com/models/795765
NoobAI-XL is also looking good. I do need to explore these more.
https://civitai.com/models/833294/noobai-xl-nai-xl
But what loras and models do you like, and what things do you see that you like and dislike about them? (And, honestly, feel free to go into more detail on some of the ones I mentioned. I just wanted to throw out a few of the better ones to start things off…)
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