@Zerowinger
Youâre not, itâs a good thing, I encourage it, in fact, even just in general.
Youâre not, itâs a good thing, I encourage it, in fact, even just in general.
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 24
Iâm honestly all for sticking with âcreatorâ when weâre assigning a title in a tagâlike we already do in User Links. And keeping âartistâ just for how itâs used in Takedowns and Rules. Maybe itâs selfish, but it lowkey makes things way easier when handling image reports. That way, when someone says âartist,â I know itâs about Rule #1 and not something I actually want to do, like helping someone set up their tag here.
I honestly donât care what people call themselves, as long as when someone says âartist,â itâs clear theyâre talking about what that means in Rule #1.
My one caveat would be if the site ever decides to extend copyright protections to some AI artâlike how Derpi uses
ai assisted or their new ai composition tag. Still waiting to see how that all shakes out with âartistâ tags. Maybe things will be clearer by January.It feels like a distraction right now. Iâd rather not deal with it and just hope we donât end up with a tag thatâs baked into the rules that gives it a meaning, or accidentally makes people think they have rights they donât actually have, that we will have to deal with later.
@Admin
I trust you to find the right balance, and make it make sense.
I trust you to find the right balance, and make it make sense.
Iâm gonna ghost this thread now since this isnât my bikeshed, and Iâve talked about it enough. As long as the rules and tags are in sync, itâs all good.
Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 24
Both should be character tags.
Sorry if Iâm making a lot of work for you guys by uploading these images of all these one off/one episode characters.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 23
Prompter seems like the more pragmatic and descriptive choice when talking about the person who prompted for the image, which seems to me the better choice for a tagging system. Within the context of the tagging system, worrying about the definition of art and artist seems like a good way to waste a lot of time.
However, using
prompter would imply the use of separate tags for the same person doing a basic sketch, generation, and inpainting, which seems like a good way to add excessive noise to the tags. As others have suggested, creator might be a decent compromise, as itâs a lot less philosophically charged than artist.Individual tags for prompting, inpainting/editing, and arting (in the derpi sense) could be used in situations in which multiple people are collaborating. The correct tag for arting might bring the whole discussion up again, so perhaps bikeshedding about it is inevitable.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 22
I typed in âponyâ and pressed shift-enter. Default model settings, touched nothing else, you can check the chunk. Does that deserve an âartistâ tag for me?
Iâd say ânoâ. And frankly neither do Jackson Pollock or whoever taped a banana to a wall deserve to be called âartistâ. If we go by some âanything can be artâ or whatever definition then the term âartistâ has absolutely no meaning at all and thus thereâs no reason to want to have it in the first place. Outside of some revanchist sentiment, I guess.
So no, Iâd very much like to keep terms like artist or editor or whatever else reserved for people that put more effort into what they create than the average tagger/uploader puts in when typing into an imageâs tag box.
- âBut derpi calls anyone that puts any two lines together an artist!â
- Yes and I hate that, but it was inherited from ponibooru and socially enforced thanks to hacks like Christopher Wool or Damien Hirst. If I could have changed it without starting WW3 I would have.
- âWhy not call people that do
ai compositionartists, then?â
- Ideally we will, both here and on derpi. Right now, what weâre seeing is what we expected: a lot of people going through their old raw gens and retagging them from
ai generatedtoai composition, either to âsaveâ them, or out of spite for the new policy / the site. Weâll revisit the topic once those shenanigans are over.
- âYou just hate AI and this place is set up just to honeypot AI users to pariah them and then shut the place down!â
- No. I want this place to succeed, and I want people to use AI to create beautiful and amazing things. But whatâs been going on in derpi, and elsewhere on the internet, really isnât leading towards that. For every 1 person that starts putting some work and talent in, that curate or edit what they share, and produces a good looking image⊠another 9 pop up that type in something like âsally acorn huge boobs large ass hot sexyâ, batch of 20, and upload them all regardless of all the horrific flaws and artifacts.
- Allowing, or even promoting the latter is one of the big reasons AI is looked down on by so many, and itâs whatâs keeping the space from flourishing. Sites are flooded with low quality images and it drowns out those that put in the effort, or make it seem like they just got a lucky RNG. A lot of people could have been spending the last two years learning new skills and working on how to improve their art but instead sat waiting for some next model release or technological advancement to fix the issues for them.
- So yeah, I actually do want to get to the point where people arenât looked down on for having made something with AI, and I donât believe the âlaissez-faireâ policy many appear to want will ever get us there.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 21
@Zerowinger
The 400 buzz is the âfull participationâ reward. There are also prizes for the three winners, but thatâs fairly random, being picked by AI.
The 400 buzz is the âfull participationâ reward. There are also prizes for the three winners, but thatâs fairly random, being picked by AI.
Tagging Discussion » "Generator:" tags should not imply "ai generated" » Post 1
@tyto4tme4l
This is already how a lot of people are using it, and I agree that checkpoint would be a better term, but I also imagine a lot of other people prefer not to let on to exactly what checkpoints theyâre using, so having a generic catch-all is probably better in a lot of cases.
This is already how a lot of people are using it, and I agree that checkpoint would be a better term, but I also imagine a lot of other people prefer not to let on to exactly what checkpoints theyâre using, so having a generic catch-all is probably better in a lot of cases.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 19
@Zealousmagician
For the first month or so probably best to keep the tags the same to make importing-related issues easier. After that, maybe use artist or creatorâŠ
For the first month or so probably best to keep the tags the same to make importing-related issues easier. After that, maybe use artist or creatorâŠ
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 18
So how about for AI composition images? Thereâs a large degree of intentionality in the changes involved in those images that clearly result in a fully realised vision that was being worked towards from the initial generation (or perhaps even before that). Is such a process not deserving of being called a form of art itself? Would you say that with everything I- for example- have made, Iâm only an editor and could not be considered an artist in any fashion?
The AI composition tag on Derpibooru asks that the editor tag be used instead of the artist tag, and I donât think it should, at the very least not here.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 17
@LemonDrop
no. on this site we ask that you respect artists and their artwork. this is baked into this siteâs rules. if that is a non-starter for you, then there are many alternative sites you may use instead.
no. on this site we ask that you respect artists and their artwork. this is baked into this siteâs rules. if that is a non-starter for you, then there are many alternative sites you may use instead.
Tagging Discussion » derpibooru exclusive should be aliased » Post 1
Why would it, that tag implied that things were exclusively uploaded on Derpi, it wouldnât make sense to alias existing instances of that tag. It would make sense though to have a new tantabus exclusive tag for people who solely upload their AI art here though, depending on how useful of information that is (might not be that important really).
Tagging Discussion » General Tag Discussion » Post 2
Background Pony #FFEE
Will subsequent tag changes made on Derpibooru get synced to the posts that had already been imported? Goodness knows I spend enough time cleaning things up and tagging the oft-forgotten basics, Iâd hate to have to do it twice.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 16
@Delly
Weird, last time I checked you can be an artist the moment your pencil touches the paper without âyears of masteryâ. Guess you donât think very highly of most artists. Imagine telling all the people on Derpi who have only been drawing for a few months âyeah you donât have countless years of mastery so uhhh you donât get an artist tagâ, just insane lol.
Weird, last time I checked you can be an artist the moment your pencil touches the paper without âyears of masteryâ. Guess you donât think very highly of most artists. Imagine telling all the people on Derpi who have only been drawing for a few months âyeah you donât have countless years of mastery so uhhh you donât get an artist tagâ, just insane lol.
Also I find it amusing that peopleâs standards are essentially requiring 10+ years of AI art experience on their resume to apply to the âartistâ job when this sort of generative AI has only been a thing for 2-3 years now.
@Heat Sink
Appeal to popularity is not a valid argument.
Appeal to popularity is not a valid argument.
@Annalee
Correct, that rule is outdated and carried over from Derpi and should be removed which kills two birds with one stone. The only reason that rule existed was a âpeaceful coexistenceâ compromise with having both types of artists on the same site. This is a site for AI art specifically now though so caring about what existing digital artists think is no longer a concern as they will not be uploading here anyways.
Correct, that rule is outdated and carried over from Derpi and should be removed which kills two birds with one stone. The only reason that rule existed was a âpeaceful coexistenceâ compromise with having both types of artists on the same site. This is a site for AI art specifically now though so caring about what existing digital artists think is no longer a concern as they will not be uploading here anyways.
@Teaspoon
Well I do think they deserve that title because thatâs technically what art is. I never claimed it was good art, itâs dogshit art. A lot of art on Derpi is dogshit too though if you havenât noticed, but thatâs ok because learning is a slow process.
Derpi always has been more of an art collective and not a âcurated artâ site with a quality bar like something such as e621 is, so literally anyone who scribbles on a piece of paper is considered an artist with just as much effort as it takes to generate a low quality image via AI.
Well I do think they deserve that title because thatâs technically what art is. I never claimed it was good art, itâs dogshit art. A lot of art on Derpi is dogshit too though if you havenât noticed, but thatâs ok because learning is a slow process.
Derpi always has been more of an art collective and not a âcurated artâ site with a quality bar like something such as e621 is, so literally anyone who scribbles on a piece of paper is considered an artist with just as much effort as it takes to generate a low quality image via AI.
Anyways to me that seems like something solvable by just providing upload limitations to discourage quantity over quality at least to have some bare minimum standards in what is being produced. Not really the end of the world and not really an argument against why people using AI arenât artists.
Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 22
https://tantabus.ai/tags/8-dash-bit+%28g4%29 should be a character tag, might also imply âidwâ since theyâre from the IDW comics.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 15
@Lord Waite
So the contest is based on the output quantity, not the quality or popularity? (Daily theme contests on NightCafe are based on popular vote, with only one submission per person)
So the contest is based on the output quantity, not the quality or popularity? (Daily theme contests on NightCafe are based on popular vote, with only one submission per person)
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 14
@Teaspoon
Probably worth noting that civitai is running daily contests right now that give you 400 of their on-site currency, buzz, if you submit 20 images using the lora provided. Itâs very much encouraging people to spam out 20 low quality images a day.
Probably worth noting that civitai is running daily contests right now that give you 400 of their on-site currency, buzz, if you submit 20 images using the lora provided. Itâs very much encouraging people to spam out 20 low quality images a day.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 13
All that considered I think I still lean more towards âartistâ than âcreatorâ, but either is better than âprompterâ which might as well be an insult in a place like this.
I donât know if you have, but Iâd suggest perusing civitAI; there are accounts with 12k images made in just a few months, practically 90% of their images are definitely horrible. Iâd certainly not think anyone slapping in 12 words (optimistically) into the prompt box, not changing default settings, and hitting âGenerate Foreverâ to churn out 250 images in an hour and do no editing or curation at all on them deserves to be called an artist.
Purely outside of the pedantry of what is and isnât âartâ, itâd be an organizational nightmare to separate out the people that do put some work and effort into their creations.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 10
Comparing traditional artistry with prompting is offending everyone, who has spend countless years mastering the art of drawing.
The two are nowhere near on the same level, or at least the kind of prompting that this site is intended for isnât (As actual art with only some smaller parts being done by AI is still welcome on Derpibooru)
Therefore, the prefix will not be changing. Learn to actually draw if you want to be an artist.
Tagging Discussion » "Generator:" tags should not imply "ai generated" » Topic Opener
Since âai compositionâ is a thing now, tags like âgenerator:zoinksnoobâ should not imply âai generatedâ IMO.
BTW: I feel like this âgeneratorâ term is pretty vague, I would prefer something like âmodelâ or âcheckpointâ instead.
Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 9
I agree, creating art makes you an artist, and the act of guiding an AI to refine an image into something that matches your vision is the same creative process to any other artform.
Just because itâs âeasyâ to prompt things by comparison to the tedium of drawn digital art does not mean youâre not an artist, and saying otherwise is just a narrative the anti-AI crowd has spun to diminish peopleâs work and disrespect the AI artists. Itâd be like saying digital artists arenât artists because itâs a far easier process than that of traditional artwork on canvas with oil paints (no undo, no layering, no fancy effects or infinite brush shapes). This is especially true for more involved AI artwork where inpainting and other touchups are done in post via Photoshop or whatever, itâs hardly solely just âpromptingâ in that instance.
Course I can somewhat understand concerns over tagging confusion and etc, and to be fair also other areas of art have their own terms, e.g. photographer, cinematographer, game developer, but they all are under the âartistâ umbrella if you want a general term. No (non-disparaging) specific term really exists for those who leverage AI heavily yet given itâs such a new medium other than like âAI artistâ which specifies the medium a bit more specifically similar to âtraditional artistâ or âdigital artistâ, but these are just simplified just to âartistâ in terms of tagging on Derpi at least.
âCreatorâ may be a fair compromise but I still feel like itâs a bit silly to downplay the artistry involved. As the OP said, this is an AI-specific site, so while a blind import of tags may be a bit confusing, in practice one would understand that the âartistâ term on this site is contextually referring to AI artists specifically and transform the tags if needed to whatever convention exists on other sites (e.g. if importing from here to Derpi one would replace
artist: with prompter: and add ai content or whatever as in theory that tag wouldnât be needed here).All that considered I think I still lean more towards âartistâ than âcreatorâ, but either is better than âprompterâ which might as well be an insult in a place like this.
Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 20
https://tantabus.ai/tags/starsong should be a character tag.
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